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Still Pondering Western States

I have to start by saying that I am quite shocked that Geoff Roes won Western States. I shouldn’t be shocked. Roes was last year’s “ultra-runner of the year” according to Ultrarunning magazine. And, Geoff has continued to run great in 2010 as well. All one has to do is look at his races/results from the past two years to get a sense of how good Geoff Roes really is:

2009 Race Results

  • 1/17 – HURT 100 miles – 20:28 (1st Place & Course Record)
  • 7/18 – Crow Pass 25 miles – 2:57:12 (1st Place & Course Record)
  • 9/11 – Wasatch 100 miles – 18:30 (1st Place & Course Record)
  • 9/25 – Bear 100 miles – 18:43 (1st Place & Course Record)
  • 11/7 – Mountain Masochist 50 miles – 6:27:55 (1st Place & Course Record)
  • 12/5 – North Face Endurance Challenge 50 miles – (2nd Place & 2nd fastest in course history)

2010 Race Results

  • 3/13 – Way Too Cool 50k – 3:51 (3rd)
  • 4/10 – American River 50 – 5:49 (1st Place)
  • 5/8 – Bear Mountain 50 – 7:06 (1st Place)
  • 6/26 – Western States 100 – 15:07:00 (1st Place & course record)

Additionally, I know that Roes’ is one tough cookie, as he battled it out tete-a-la-tete with Uli Steidl at last December’s North Face Endurance Challenge. The race was fast…very fast. Check out this video of Roes & Uli battling it out at Mile 34 of that race.

I believe Uli to be the toughest runner since Matt Carpenter (12X winner of the Pike’s Peak marathon & course record-holder at the Leadville 100) was in his prime. So, this win by Roes shouldn’t surprise me. It was a close race, with Roes winning by just ~6 minutes…which is nothing in a 100 mile race:

Place

Status

Time In

Time Out

Elapsed

Name

Gender

Age

1

Finished

08:07pm

–:–

15:07:04

Geoff Roes

M

34

2

Finished

08:13pm

–:–

15:13:53

Anton Krupicka

M

26

But, it does surprise me that Roes won.

Why?

Because Anton Krupicka didn’t win.

I don’t think Krupicka is unbeatable. I think he is a great, great runner…but, he’s certainly human. It’s just that in following his training this year (as he posts great details on his blog “Riding the Wind” a few times each week), he just seemed to be primed and ready to go. [Note: Roes publishes his training logs online as well, but it's a bit more difficult to ascertain just how well things are going (the quantitative data is there, but not much color commentary as with Anton)].

In general, Krupicka logs more miles than Roes does, as evidenced by their logs. Both have been very consistent throughout the year. Roes had raced a bit more….but, Krupicka just seems to be training at an insanely high level…such a high level that I expected him to win. I expected him to really open things up from Auburn Lake onward. But, that didn’t happen. And, I’m still trying to figure out why.

My inclination is to thing that somehow, the fact that Anton logged so many miles the week heading into Western hurt him. When you compare the time spent running of Roes vs. Krupicka the week before Western, there is a stark difference:


Krupicka ran nearly 70% longer than Roes. Was this the difference?

I thought so, and said as much on a letsrun.com post earlier today. But now, I am not so sure given the commentary of both Roes & Krupicka following the race. Both seem very pleased with the run…which leads me to believe that both were feeling good.

Roes published a short post on his blog about Western States, promising to offer more race details soon. It’s titled “It doesn’t get much better than that.” But the post is short. It doesn’t provide many details other than to say that:


Today, Krupicka also posted a bit about Western States, but he didn’t say much. He did offer the following:

Another short post…that offers little detail. I guess I’ll be left to wonder. Who knows, maybe I’m overcomplicating this entire thing. Maybe Roes was just the better runner on that day. Maybe he’s the better runner overall (credentials may imply this). Maybe he’s just a bit tougher than Anton. We may never know…but, I can’t wait to see the race reports from each of them.


Is Uli cheating?

I (think) I saw Uli running this morning over on the East Side near Yarrow Point. I’m not positive it was him, but the dude had on a boston marathon jacket and his form was similar to Uli’s.

I know seeing Uli running around Seattle is not significant…as the dude logs a lot of miles. However, what was significant (to me) was that I think I saw him running with a dog…but it wasn’t his dog. Uli’s dog Forrest (a great name for any runner’s dog) is short and has light brown fur. This dog was tall, and lanky, and black.

Is Uli cheating on Forrest…his loyal running companion?

The Elite vs. the Near Elite

I’ve long believed that there are just a few small things that seperate elite ultrarunners from near-elite ones.   I don’t have perfect definitions for “elite” or “near-elite” but, I’ll use some local Seattle ultra-runners as examples:

Elite = Scott Jurek, Uli Steidl

Near Elite = Brian Morrison, Greg Crowther, Adam Lint, etc. 

I’m hopeful that my designations/classifications don’t create hard feelings.  These are just my own subjective calls and anybody who reads this blog knows that I’m not the brightest bulb.   The point I want to make is that there are often subtle differences that seperate these two classes of runners. 

One great example of these differences if rest/down-time.   My perception is that the elite runners are, in general, better at scheduling/taking down time than the near elites.   Obviously, I’m making broad, sweeping categorizations here, which is never fair and never accurate.  But, I do come across many near-elite runners who — in their effort to become elite — fail to realize the importance of rest/down-time.   Instead, they race ultras several times/month…12 months a year….years in a row.  

hibernationIt should be noted that rest/down-time can mean different things for diferent people.  Scott Jurek has a nice post up about his concept of “Hibernation” which he borrows from the Kenya distance runners.    Scott has just takend 6 full weeks off of running.  

Others, such as Uli, don’t seem to stop running for weeks on end, but are definitely either in the process of building up for a big race or recovering from a big race.   Check out Uli’s training logs, and you’ll see what I mean.   There are lots of 120+ mile weeks, but also a fair amount of 40-50 mile weeks.  

Most of us who don’t fall into the elite OR the near-elite category (including myself) has the opposite problem…we likely take far too much rest in any given week, month, year.  

What do you do for rest?   Does my hypothesis that elite runners take more rest seem correct…or totally whacked?   How much rest is enough?  Too much?  

Feel free to add comments below…

Ultrarunning and Toughness

Toughest Runner You Know…

In a previous post, I wrote about Tom “Rogo” Rogozinski, an IUP runner, who was/is the toughest runner I know.   Apparently, I’m not alone in my thinking.    Not only has that post about Rogo been the most viewed on my site, it’s also generated some interesting comments (both on the blog and via my e-mail inbox).  

The most interesting, was the following, from David Warady:

David Warady //

I will personally attest to Tom’s toughness. Without a doubt, in my 20 years of racing, Tom Rogozinski and Richard Westbrook (4th in TA) were the toughest runners I’ve ever competed against.   Rogo’s 8hr, 59 mile stage, might be the most incredible individual effort in the 1992 TransAmerica race.

If anybody is qualified to deem somebody “tough” it would be Warady.   He won that 1992 TransAmerica race by nearly 6 hours:

1992 Runner’s World Trans America Footrace
Huntington Beach CA to New York NY
June 20 to August 22, 1992 – 2935.8 miles

(28 starters, 13 finishers)
1. David Warady, 35, USA CA – 521:35:57
2. Milan Milanovic, 32 SUI – 527:16:21 (+5:40:24)
3. Tom Rogozinski, 24 USA – 528:48:54 (+7:12:57)

In many ways, Uli Steidl reminds me of Rogo – hardcore.   If you want to see just how “tough” Uli is, check out his running logs which are posted here at his website.   Still not convinced of Uli’s toughness, check out the following paragraph from Uli’s recount of the 2007 North Face Endurance Challenge 50M race in San Francisco where Uli beat the legendary Matt Carpenter (who I think is undoubtedly the toughest runner I don’t know).   Uli recounts:

 

Uli Steidl & Matt Carpenter

Uli Steidl & Matt Carpenter

Matt meanwhile went to his drop bag. I expected him to slowly catch up to me again in the next few minutes. But instead I heard him come up behind me like a runaway train. I wasn’t sure what to think. He pulled up next to me and said “Uli, you’re &%#*ing tough” All I could think of was “So are you!” I was really surprised to hear what he said next “I think I’m done.” And with that he dropped off the pace and I was by myself.     

 [Note: Full race recap from Uli can be found here] 

 

 

So, I think Rogo & Uli are the toughest runners I know.  Apparently, I’m not alone in my convictions. 

Who are the toughest runners you know?  Comment below…